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18 Replies Last post: Jul 31, 2008 8:59 AM by Mark.Ridgley  
Jeffrey  Phillips NI Employee 13 posts since
Jun 7, 2005
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Feb 9, 2008 6:05 PM

Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

 

Welcome to our new NI Developer Zone Community. We're excited to be sharing these new features and functionalities with you!

 

What do you think of what you've seen so far? This will be an on-going improvement process, and we'd love to hear what you have to say!

 

Thanks,

Jeff

 

 

Mark.Ridgley   6 posts since
Feb 9, 2008
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Feb 9, 2008 7:23 PM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

I'm excited to see the forum moving to the next phase.

 

I like the new layout and many of the new features related to editing and version tracking for forum content.

 

 

 

When the new forum was announced, there was a lot of emphasis on what forum users needed to do to ensure that their content was migrated to the new system. While I'm personally happy to see that all of my content has been migrated, I was surprised to note the following:

 

  • All posted content is attributed to Beta Community Content instead of the author who created it.

  • Previous number of downloads to date is missing.

  • The ratings for many of the posted items is different than what it was previously. If the displayed ratings are correct, perhaps a description of how these values were arrived at would help.

  • How are the most popular items displayed on the main page selected?

 

Mark.Ridgley   6 posts since
Feb 9, 2008
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Feb 11, 2008 8:49 AM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

Thanks for the reply.

 

Here is additional information related to your bullet points.

  • All of my content was migrated to the new forum; however, all of it is attributed to Beta Community Content. When I received the instructions on how to prepare for the migration, I had a lot of problems trying to get my profile cleaned up. I contacted someone else from your group (Brian?) and we exchanged a few e-mails and I did as he instructed, so I thought everything was in order. Is there a way to correct these items to show that I contributed them? I checked the amount of content attributed to Beta Community Content and found that 241 out of the 291 total items in the community (83%) are attributed to that user, so it looks like this issue affects the majority of forum users.

  • I had contributed a utility to track posted items under the old system (http://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-1239), so I have historical data on a few items (only three of which were rated). Of the three that were rated, all of them have different ratings under the new system:

http://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-1331 Was: 3.94 Now: 0

http://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-1062 Was: 3.93 Now: 2.83

http://decibel.ni.com/content/docs/DOC-1086 Was: 3.92 Now: 3

 

  • I really hope that showing the number of downloads will be added back in quickly.

  • It appears that a view is generated each time an item's page is requested from the server. I tested this and found that the view count for an item is updated each time a page is loaded or refreshed in a web browser. Knowing that, I really must say that in my opinion the view parameter should not be used to determine an item's popularity. This behavior could easily be manipulated to artificially increase an item's popularity rating and does not provide a true indication of an item's usefulness to forum users. An item could get a lot of views (legitimate or manipulated), have one great rating and no downloads, yet make it onto the most popular items list. In my opinion, that does not tell the full story. Personally, I view many items on the forum. If the write-up is compelling, I might download the item. Therefore, I believe that the number of downloads is a key parameter for judging the popularity of posted items. Also, I recall that there has been a lot of conversation on the boards regarding the rating system. Some users have questioned its validity and some have even suggested that the rating system be done away with altogether. In that light, I am surprised to hear that an item's rating is now one of the key parameters used to determine its popularity. My suggestion would be to select the most popular items based on number of downloads, and then rating in that order. Personally, I take several things into account when deciding whether to download a posted item - number of downloads, rating and comments (If 500 other users have downloaded the item (they can't all be wrong), it has a decent rating (if rated) and few negative comments (I believe that users are more likely to post negative comments on web forums), then I'm more likely to download it).

 

I appreciate your feedback.

 

Mark Ridgley

Phil Brooks   1 posts since
Mar 14, 2008
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Mar 17, 2008 1:09 PM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?
Jeffrey P wrote:
  • The posted content should only be attributed to Beta Community Content if the author did not match his email address and alias from their ni.com and Beta Community profiles.  We posted a note and sent an email to all such users explaining how this works, and with instructions on how to do so.  Is one of your documents not showing up as attributed to you?

I don't recall receiving an email regarding the migration. My documents are also not attributed to me.

 

 

 

I agree that the download statistics were a nice feature of the old system format. The example image is also so small that it's really useless.

pbrooks100   1 posts since
May 12, 2008
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May 12, 2008 10:49 AM in response to: Phil Brooks
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

I still wish I could get my contributed files attributed to me.

 

Would it be possible to add a feature that would allow a Beta Community attributed entry to be 'claimed' by a registered user?

 

 

A search for "Beta Community Content" returns 180 entries. I'm sure that there are others that would like to get credit for their contributions. I know that some of those 180 are attributable to NI employees...

Mark.Ridgley   6 posts since
Feb 9, 2008
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Feb 9, 2008 7:34 PM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

Continued from previous post:

 

The items listed  as the most popular items in the previous forum had thousands of downloads, so it is not apparent how the currently displayed items were selected. What is the "Views" parameter? Depending on what that is, I believe that the number of downloads provides a better indication of the amount of interest that a particular forum post is generating.

 

The What's New section from the previous forum was a nice feature because it provided a quick way to keep informed of the latest example code posted to the fourm.

 

I look forward to your response.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Ridgley

BruceAmmons LabVIEW Champion 1 posts since
Feb 11, 2008
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Feb 11, 2008 10:02 PM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

 

Jeff,

 

 

This looks like a bug:

 

 

If you use the documents tab to list the content, you have a handy next/previous page control.

 

 

If you use all content, there is no control for next/previous page.  You can only view the first page.

 

 

Bruce

 

 

lach   1 posts since
Feb 12, 2008
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Feb 12, 2008 9:23 AM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

"number of downloads" was a nice feature of the beta version and something I checked often.

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ThSa NI Employee 3 posts since
Feb 9, 2008
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Mar 30, 2008 11:02 AM in response to: lach
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

 

It seems that the number of downloads is still available in a slightly different form

 

 

When you navigate to My Profile & Tools ->  Documents you get an overview of all your documents. One col contains the # of "Views". It seems that this col is not related to the number of http requests for the document its more related to the number of downloads of an attachement of this document.

 

 

Mark.Ridgley   6 posts since
Feb 9, 2008
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Mar 30, 2008 7:06 PM in response to: ThSa
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

 

Hello,

 

Here is a list of steps that you can perform to demonstrate that the "views" parameter is incremented each time an item's page is requested from the server:

 

  • Log in to the NI Community web site.

  • Navigate to My Profile & Tools ->  Documents.

  • Select one of your documents.

  • Make a note of the number of views shown for the selected document.

  • Click on the name of the selected document.

  • Wait for the selected document's page to load completely.

  • Do NOT click the link in the page to download the file.

  • Reload the page in the browser three times.

  • Press your web browser's Back button.

  • Reload the My Published Documents page.

  • Note that the "views" parameter has been incremented by four - once for the initial page load and once for each time you reloaded the page.

 

Based on this observed behavior, I respectfully disagree with this post and reiterate the last two bullet points in my post from February 11, 2008.

 

I appreciate your thoughts and feedback on this important topic.

 

Mark Ridgley

 

 

ThSa NI Employee 3 posts since
Feb 9, 2008
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Mar 30, 2008 7:11 PM in response to: Mark.Ridgley
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

 

Damn, you are absolutely right.

 

 

When I wait until the page is loaded completely (sorry,currently I have a very slow internet connection),  the count is incremented by 1.

 

 

NIRF-Group NI Employee 1 posts since
Feb 20, 2008
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May 16, 2008 6:22 AM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

 

Hi Jeffrey,

 

 

The editor seems to have some bugs. The formatting like the tabs, superscript, subscript do not work (Xn) properly. Extra spaces which are introduced on purpose are also removed when we publish the doc. Can you guys fix this?

 

 

One more request, can you display the "#of downloads" of the examples/ ip instead of the "# of views"?

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Vinay

 

 

Mark.Ridgley   6 posts since
Feb 9, 2008
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Jul 30, 2008 9:03 AM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

Hi, Jeff

 

I'm happy to see that the number of downloads is once again being reported for contributed example code.

 

Earlier, I updated my example for tracking forum items (NI Stats VI Utility) and I noticed that the number of downloads was reset to zero after I uploaded the new file.

 

When performing the update,  I removed the existing file and replaced it with the new file because I thought that showing two files for download might cause some confusion.

 

My questions are:

  • Is the number of downloads somehow 'attached' to the original file?
  • Should previous versions of  files always be left on the system when an item is updated?
  • Is resetting the number of downloads to zero expected behavior or something that needs to be investigated further?

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Ridgley

Mark.Ridgley   6 posts since
Feb 9, 2008
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Jul 31, 2008 8:59 AM in response to: Jeffrey Phillips
Re: Thoughts on the NI Developer Zone Community?

Jeff,

 

Thanks for the response.

 

Since NI Community content may require updating for a variety of reasons, I believe that it is important to find a solution so that the number of downloads is preserved when an item is updated.

 

I like your idea of  adding the number of downloads together for docs with the same name. The one catch that I see is that it appears that there can be more than one downloadable file associated with a particular NI Community web page. Although the vast majority of NI Community web pages only feature a single downloadable file, you would need to apply your idea to the specific file that the user is uploading at the moment. Since your idea is to carry the number of downloads forward based on the name of the file currently being uploaded, that shouldn't pose a problem.

 

I think that this is a reasonable solution.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark Ridgley

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